. >> it is, we're watching, steve. thank you very much. >>> much of the conversation in washington regarding the fiscal cliff is focused on tax rates or how the federal government can bring in more revenue from you. what about the other side of the equation? cutting back on spending and borrowing. steve moore joins us to talk about that and separate fact from fiction when it comes to the numbers. >> thank you for asking that question about the spending side of the ledger. the laos two or three weeks the discussion has been about raising taxes and no discussion about reducing the amount -- the outgo. >> let's start there. if we stopped overspending, what would it take for the government to get lined up, to get rid of the debt and deficit. >> we've dug ourselves into a deep hole. when i came to washington we talked about the budget, deficit in the billions, now in the trillions of dollars. part of the problem is the numbers are large but it's a million, million dollars. the debt is $6 trillion and we're borrowing $1.1 tr